Curse

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

The GW community, and any other MMO group, is a microcosm of the world and the people in it. I don't think it's any secret to those of us over, say, 25 that the social niceties are gone and that basic common decency is on it's way out. Sorry to say, but it seems a large portion of the community are the very people who lack even the basest of manners.

I don't take my game to seriously, Algren. But I DO take my time seriously. I get a VERY limited amount of time to play during a week. When I -do- play, I hope that those with whom I game will observe basic manners (how AWFUL of me!). If they need to leave, say so before the mission begins or give an ETA for return. Yes, I can finish the missions with a reduced party but why should I have to? I like the game the way it's designed. I like to play with other players and not have to resort to henchies (though I have had to a lot).

Do I care if the freeloader gets the XP? Not really but, then again, that's not really my issue (or the issue of anyone else who's got a problem with this).

Sierra · Jul 11, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I completely understand what it means to be courteous and considerate...I am also fully aware of the fact that in the grand scheme of all things associated with life...Guild Wars is on the bottom rung right below "making srue the dog shits in corner of the yard"...It's not important...and I'm not about to get upset about someone dropping or going AFK. There are a million better things I could waste my time getting upset over...and they'd be a million times more appropriate to get upset about. Guild Wars is a game...LIFE IS NOT A GAME...often times life happens...and trust me Life is far more important than some silly game and some silly mission....so the guy had to eat...is it really the end of the world that he had to go AFK in the middle of a mission...does the world cease to exist...have the gates of hell opened and lucifer himself uprisen in your living room demanding your presence before the dark army...all because this one guy left in the middle of a mission that you could complete with a party of 3 people anyway?

Ninna: the Original Post I read was more along the lines of pointing out the asinine things people do just to "get back" at the AFKer...not so much a complaint as it was pointing out how hideously spiteful people can be.

Maybe I missed something here, but I haven't seen anyone acting very "upset" in this thread. We're just discussing the topic at hand. You know, giving our points of view and what not. You're the one who has expressed more emotion than anyone else. Please calm down. It is just a game after all?

EDIT: For Algren, I see emotion in your posts because of the all caps ("LIFE IS NOT A GAME"), which in many people's minds signifies yelling or the closest you can get to it. Plus, you are dramatizing the whole thread ("is it really the end of the world that he had to go AFK in the middle of a mission...does the world cease to exist...have the gates of hell opened and lucifer himself uprisen in your living room demanding your presence before the dark army"). In the eye of the beholder and all that. Furthermore, how can you say anyone in this thread is upset if emotions cannot be expressed via text? That's rhetorical, by the way.

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I don't take my game to seriously, Algren. But I DO take my time seriously. I get a VERY limited amount of time to play during a week. When I -do- play, I hope that those with whom I game will observe basic manners (how AWFUL of me!).

Totally agree. My time is limited during the weekdays.

Lelani · Jul 11, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Sagius, have to agree with you.

My experience with these kind of extremists is a little different, but definitely it is annoying. I've had to leave UW once in the past about 2 hours into it, I apologised and said I had to go for urgent RL reasons and got "OMFG I HATE QUITTRS!" and "ur on my blac list now!" Etc.

Seriously, there are people out there that value the game more than their lives outside of it and take it far too seriously, some of the replies here are proof of that. Your best bet is just to leave if they start whining, groups aren't hard to come by and most missions can be done with Henchmen so it's no big loss.

As for "planning" your toilet/food/other breaks, get real. Sometimes things come up in real life that you simply can't ignore. I'm always going to value life over game, as it's plain to me which is more important. Hell, check the whole sales pitch for the damn game, "Skill, not hours played" They designed it so it doesn't intefere with your life too much, it's about fun - not organised toilet breaks.

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Sierra

Maybe I missed something here, but I haven't seen anyone acting very "upset" in this thread. We're just discussing the topic at hand. You know, giving our points of view and what not. You're the one who has expressed more emotion than anyone else. Please calm down. It is just a game after all?

how exactly does one express emotion via text on a forum?

I've simply stated that there are more important things in life than worrying about freeloaders in a video game...

LoneDust · Jul 11, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

I just read the whole thread, and want to add my 2 cents:

Personally, I don't mind waiting for 2 minutes of someone going afk (in PvE). I am just that nice

General consensus points to that when you party up with some other players, there's a mutual expectation is to help each other out throughout the course of missions, quests, or simply soc runs. When anyone goes AFK, he's leaving the mutual expectation. I find it absurd the fact that the OP went AFK on his group, and came onto the forum to whine about being ditched, and the lack of patience of others.

Everytime when something happens in RL that I have to go away from keyboard, I am prepared to be ditched from the group even when they respond that they'd wait. For every minute I go away, I know I am wasting 7 minutes of others time. A 5 minute dinner? That makes a world of difference.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Lelani

As for "planning" your toilet/food/other breaks, get real. Sometimes things come up in real life that you simply can't ignore. I'm always going to value life over game, as it's plain to me which is more important. Hell, check the whole sales pitch for the damn game, "Skill, not hours played" They designed it so it doesn't intefere with your life too much, it's about fun - not organised toilet breaks.

You make it sound like it requires any effort at all to take a wizz or grabbing a bite to eat before going into a mission.

Lelani · Jul 11, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

You make it sound like it requires any effort at all to take a wizz or grabbing a bite to eat before going into a mission.

It doesn't, but that won't mean you can guarantee your presence for the entire mission. Yes, it's wrong to leave people hanging around waiting for any huge length of time and if you do know in advance you'll have to go it's best not to join up, but if they can't be bothered waiting a couple of minutes out of common courtesy i'd leave instead. Chances are a group that impatient will fail anyway.

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

You make it sound like it requires any effort at all to take a wizz or grabbing a bite to eat before going into a mission.

*chuckles and high-5's Principa*

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Lelani

It doesn't, but that won't mean you can guarantee your presence for the entire mission.

Of course not, other things can come up (such as people at the door and whatnot), but it's covering the biological bases so to speak.

My entire argument is that nobody should really need to go AFK for a pee or a snack, as it can easily be done before-hand. Things like someone coming to the door, however, are completely valid reasons in my book.

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Lelani

It doesn't, but that won't mean you can guarantee your presence for the entire mission. Yes, it's wrong to leave people hanging around waiting for any huge length of time and if you do know in advance you'll have to go it's best not to join up, but if they can't be bothered waiting a couple of minutes out of common courtesy i'd leave instead. Chances are a group that impatient will fail anyway.

I don't think ANYONE here is begrudging anyone a bathroom break or a beer grab. I'd warrant the the REAL complaint is against those who take LOOONG breaks that could have been discussed before the mission started. As said, if the group's willing to wait, terrific! If not thank them for the invite and leave the party before the mission starts.

Thanas · Jul 11, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

I was implying that even though I'm one of the most disorganised people you'll ever meet, I can still organise my game-time so that things like meals and picking people up do not conflict with it.

I haven't taken anything out of context. You continually make remarks about organisational skills and how as a child you were shown how to behave a certain way.

Once again you've contridicted yourself. You are disorganised but organised. Make up your mind! Anyhow this is a trivial point and I admit to this. Back to the main argument at hand I think.

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Thanas

I haven't taken anything out of context. You continually make remarks about organisational skills and how as a child you were shown how to behave a certain way.

Once again you've contridicted yourself. You are disorganised but organised. Make up your mind! Anyhow this is a trivial point and I admit to this. Back to the main argument at hand I think.

Did you even read my post? You've made the same mistake you made last time. I'll copy and paste it just for you...

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

When I said "I'm one of the most disorganised people you'll ever meet", I was implying that even though I'm one of the most disorganised people you'll ever meet, I can still organise my game-time so that things like meals and picking people up do not conflict with it.

That implication means that doing such things is not the slightest bit difficult and shouldn't be cried about. Hell, it should come naturally to people.

To spell it out for you, yet again; Those things don't require any level of organisational skills whatsoever. They should come naturally.

Now please, shut up. Your little vendetta is becoming boring very quickly.

Algren Cole · Jul 11, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I don't think ANYONE here is begrudging anyone a bathroom break or a beer grab. I'd warrant the the REAL complaint is against those who take LOOONG breaks that could have been discussed before the mission started. As said, if the group's willing to wait, terrific! If not thank them for the invite and leave the party before the mission starts.

and what happens if my daughter wakes up in the middle of the night and needs to be put back to sleep...often times this requires reading her a book...singing her a song...or rubbing her back/head until she goes back down....certainly you can't expect that I will do anything other than jump from my seat to attend to her needs...I'm not even going to so much as tell you where I am going, because SHE is more important to ME than YOU are..(take note that 'you' is being used in a general sense)....

things come up...yes going to the bathroom should be taken care before you play...yes eating should be taken care of before you play...yes painting the house and neutering the family dog should be taken care of before you play....but things come up, and whether or not they are dire in need is all relative to the person from whom the perspective is coming.....caring about it is a waste of time. Either take 15 minutes with them...go outside and take a look at the sun you haven't seen in 4 days or continue on the mission without them.

Lelani · Jul 11, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I don't think ANYONE here is begrudging anyone a bathroom break or a beer grab. I'd warrant the the REAL complaint is against those who take LOOONG breaks that could have been discussed before the mission started. As said, if the group's willing to wait, terrific! If not thank them for the invite and leave the party before the mission starts.

Actually, if you read above that's exactly what your friend Principa is begrudging us here:

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

My entire argument is that nobody should really need to go AFK for a pee or a snack, as it can easily be done before-hand. Things like someone coming to the door, however, are completely valid reasons in my book.

*chuckles*

Principa Discordia · Jul 11, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Lelani, I don't know why you're trying your damndest to start a personal war, but I warn you not to try.

Actually read my posts and you'll know what I've been talking about all along. Until then, please shut the hell up and buy a clue.

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

and what happens if my daughter wakes up in the middle of the night and needs to be put back to sleep...often times this requires reading her a book...singing her a song...or rubbing her back/head until she goes back down....certainly you can't expect that I will do anything other than jump from my seat to attend to her needs...I'm not even going to so much as tell you where I am going, because SHE is more important to ME than YOU are..(take note that 'you' is being used in a general sense).....

You and I have had this "my child, your child" discussion in another thread. MY child is more important than ANYTHING in this world. I knew, after rereading my last post, that someone would say something like you did.

I am not making ANY comments about a child's need for their parent, emergencies, unplanned events that come up and such. I am talking about the avoidable things, for Pete's sake.

Lelani · Jul 11, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I'm not trying to start a personal war with you Principa, quite the opposite. The post wasn't even directed at you, but to Aniewiel, hence the reason I quoted him first.

MuKen · Jul 11, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Thanas

Look I'm saying I don't get annoyed with people going AFK. However I do realise that sometimes real life takes more prescendence and that you really do take this game a little too seriously. And to whoever followed up my last post with comments about organisation, you misunderstood. Granted I was being a little finicky. However I was just trying to illustrate the fact that Discordia was being inconsistent, nothing more. The reason for this action being how can you begin agreeing with someone who contridicts themselves. Their aruments lose solidarity and substance.

I'm not even going to discuss your attack on Discordia, because it has nothing to do with whether or not his arguments have merit. You are attacking the person and not the points which is always the wrong way to approach a debate. Furthermore, he's not even the only person arguing his point, so discrediting him means nothing.

As for whether or not anyone is taking the game to seriously, I've said it before and I'll say it again: this has nothing to do with the relative importance of Guild Wars. This is about doing things with other people, especially strangers. When you do things as a group, you try to minimize the negative effect on the group generated by the needs of an individual. If once in awhile you didn't anticipate needing to go to the bathroom, or you get a phone call, or whatever, that's fine. But if you consistently make seven other people stop and wait so you can make frigging meals and have to take bathroom breaks often because you don't even have the potty training necessary to know when to pee so you can ensure an hour's freedom....you have no business interacting with human beings.

Chev of Hardass · Jul 11, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

One day I was playing in a group and one of the members said "Sorry guys, i gotta go pick up my kids from T-ball practice" and one of the other members yelled "OMG that sucks". Seriously. If you're so rapped up in a game that you're upset that someone has to pick up their kids rather than killing Gogazor the Dragon-Lich with you, then you need a mental examination.

WHAT? This additude is your whole problem.

-You knew you would have to pick up you kid from T-Ball practice
-You joind a group of players that did not have to do the same
-You did not warn them prior and dropped this problem on them
-You left your group with one less of the players that the team built
-You think that anyone playing this game that does not have kids has more time to play than you

My time is valuable, too. When one of YOUR types of people get into the group and leaves half an hour through. You have wasted 7 peoples time. Lets do the math 1<7 (in case you do not speak the language of the educated that says "one is less than seven").

So, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you. You not only wasted my time (not that I have groupd with you {or will}), but you wasted 6 other peoples time.

Aniewiel · Jul 11, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Perhaps, Principa, this thread has reached the end of its usefulness...if there ever was any?

Maybe it's time to lock it and throw away the key! Show us that you are the monster you are rumored to be! MWAHAHAHA!